Posts by Joey Jo-Jo

i've just happened upon the following website article featuring an interview between richard dawkins and dr rowan williams, the archbishop of canterbury.

i was surprised to discover that, when asked directly "why don't you call yourself an agnostic?

" he answered that he did.. here is the article:.

Joey Jo-Jo

SweetBabyCheezits:So, Jo-Jo , you're an atheist who just happens to be confident in the existence of supernatural beings? Outstanding!

Go back to your demon thread and re-read everything I wrote, I am getting tired of mouth feeding you and pointing out dogma even though you clearly dont have a clue what dogma is, or the difference between dogma and science.

In a nutshell, I had believed in spirites and demons, I had believed because I found the occultists explanations vague and not logical, I came to the conclusion that I dont know, get it I DONT KNOW lol, yet in regards to the current sciences of this phenomena are not satisfying or explains what I fully experienced, not paralyses nor schizophrenia or anything that I have read. Again you shift the goal post. So yeah I am an agnostic atheist.

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Please someone, explain scientifically how an omnipotent,omniscience,omnipresent,almighty GOD came from nothing

by smiddy in

only scientific responses needed smiddy

Joey Jo-Jo

tec wrote: No doubt. I have baggage too, and I'm sure that some is what I don't even think IS baggage. So did Paul at first, even though he heard Christ.

No, he saw Jesus I think in damascus (after Jesus death, it was a while since I read the passage so I dont recall if it was Jesus ghost or in the flesh), nowhere in the bible does it state that Paul heard.

OldGenerationDude: I'm very much against personal attacks or labeling either atheistic ideology or religious beliefs as non-sense, especially with regards to my ex-JW brothers and sisters.

I am not against labels (vegan, non-smoker, alcoholic, theist, pagan, etc), I am though against forms of generalisations and mis-labeling. ;). And I am not your brother but I could be your friend.

I do not necessarily write what I believe in my statements. I can’t do this because ethnically I’m Hebrew, and I returned to my religious roots after leaving the Watchtower. Much of Judaism has no common factor with the views of Christianity in general, and many of the debates between atheists and those who believe in God such as discussed here never touch on any of the views of Judaism and its concepts.

Hitchens spoke against Judaism many times, he has a debate with a rabbi on youtube, I am against male circumcision so I don't know where you are getting your sources from.

Lastly, Joey, my reference to religious faith being based on theophany was not written to be taken as a personal view or invention. I was speaking of the contrasts between Watchtower religion and mainstream views in general. While the statement should be read taking this into account, it does indeed require far more information to “backup” if one were discussing that as the subject of this thread. Since it isn’t the subject of this thread, I only spoke in generalities. I based those words on a formal education in religious studies—new ideas to me, to be sure—and from a generalized statement made in passing at the conclusion of a discussion on human response to the Judeo-Christian concept of God.

No problem, just dont take me too seriously or anyone for that matter, and if anyone proposes a contradictory view, you are after all in a public forum where ideas and beliefs are discussed and debated. As with everything we always fail to see our own mistakes untill someone points it out to us.

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My demon experience

by SweetBabyCheezits in

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one recent afternoon, me and a buddy were taking a trek around a nearby neighborhood and made our way past a delapidated house that had all the familiar symptoms of being haunted.

he suggested we check it out so, of course, we did.

it looked like it had been abandoned probably 30-40 years earlier but the previous owners had left behind a small coffee table.

Joey Jo-Jo

SweetBabyCheezits: lol, I dont recall a broom with arms that used its straws as legs and a giant talking mouse. it was not animated and not on tv.

dogma

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Richard Dawkins is Agnostic?!

by cedars in

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i've just happened upon the following website article featuring an interview between richard dawkins and dr rowan williams, the archbishop of canterbury.

i was surprised to discover that, when asked directly "why don't you call yourself an agnostic?

" he answered that he did.. here is the article:.

Joey Jo-Jo

You do not know what atheism is cedars, its simply a lack of evidence to suggest that god does exist, therefore we dont believe, not a dogmatic belief without evidence that god does not exist, I hope you theists could at least get this right.

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Please someone, explain scientifically how an omnipotent,omniscience,omnipresent,almighty GOD came from nothing

by smiddy in

only scientific responses needed smiddy

Joey Jo-Jo

OldGenerationDude wrote: Religion is about embracing the fact of mystery, not about finding answers to life’s questions (like the religion of the Watchtower is concerned with). Non-JW religion is about transcendence, not mere academic exercise. Self-discipline, meditation, contemplation, and mysticism are also fundamental facets of religious life, Christianity included. One doesn’t come to believe in God because of faith or mere belief. One comes to believe in God because of theophany.

Religion is not about self-fulfillment, it’s about letting go of a self-centered way of thinking and living. It is isn’t supposed to be about judging the non-believer or the believer of another faith. It’s about becoming part of the mystery of life. It’s about reaching and learning that which cannot be reached or learned by mere reason.

theophany you wrote, an oxymoron infact. First, many theists would disagree with you on your generalisation that "One doesn’t come to believe in God because of faith or mere belief.". Second, many non-theists do not agree that faith/belief/manifestation is indeed the real reason for belief without reason.

The problem with your assertion becomes self apparent, if that be so then how could one discern from a false God to a true God?

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Could some of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, and Jehovahs Witnesses Governing Body be suffering from Schizophrenia?

by Balaamsass in

could some of the watchtower bible and tract society, and jehovahs witnesses governing body be suffering from schizophrenia?.

does it strike you as odd that millions of jehovahs witnesses and the multi-billion dollar watchtower bible and tract society might be directed by men who received a special calling by god as teenagers in the 70s?.

in light of the fact that 99% of jehovahs witnesses accepted the accepted watchtower doctrine that the 144,000 were sealed in 1935, those that suddenly began partaking in later years, (especially untested youth) were frequently met with raised eyebrows and thought of as possibly mentally diseased in times past.. could there be an explanation?

Joey Jo-Jo

^^^ is this about me?????

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Could some of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, and Jehovahs Witnesses Governing Body be suffering from Schizophrenia?

by Balaamsass in

could some of the watchtower bible and tract society, and jehovahs witnesses governing body be suffering from schizophrenia?.

does it strike you as odd that millions of jehovahs witnesses and the multi-billion dollar watchtower bible and tract society might be directed by men who received a special calling by god as teenagers in the 70s?.

in light of the fact that 99% of jehovahs witnesses accepted the accepted watchtower doctrine that the 144,000 were sealed in 1935, those that suddenly began partaking in later years, (especially untested youth) were frequently met with raised eyebrows and thought of as possibly mentally diseased in times past.. could there be an explanation?

Joey Jo-Jo

Is it not true that leaders of all belief systems think they are right and everyone else is wrong? Books written by R. Franz give a good account why they believed what they believed, and when something bad happens their moral obligation is passed to the company (WB&TS). I believe that many up the hierarchy, to continue in the position that they need to be suffer from many cognitive biases and distortions, but schizophrenic is maybe pushing it, who knows maybe there really is a link between extreme anxiety and schizophrenia. Look at flippers link at the posts above.

Why do you think Raymond Franz left? Because he was forced to actually study the bible when looking up material for a new book, saw discrepencies and failed to see holy spirit where there should be most of, he even tried to change the GB way of thinking only to disappoint himself, eventually he left. A man of many many years devote to JW's yet broke free from a small action that started all that cognitive dissonance eventually became too unbearable that he finally reached a "crisis of conscience". If he had never been a gb member or never became aware of what the bible actually says he most likely had passed away as a jw.

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Richard Dawkins is Agnostic?!

by cedars in

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i've just happened upon the following website article featuring an interview between richard dawkins and dr rowan williams, the archbishop of canterbury.

i was surprised to discover that, when asked directly "why don't you call yourself an agnostic?

" he answered that he did.. here is the article:.

Joey Jo-Jo

To clarify the matter, a video a made a while back, Dawkins explains the apparent contradiction.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8cggfUm0DM